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If you nag your head against a wall long enough...

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2004 10:57 pm
by Mobius
&^^%%&(* Typo! nag = bang! ACK!

... you get a REALLY sore head! However, sometimes, when enough people complain loud enough, for long enough, and independent Industry Reports say the same thing as the complainers, even a monopoly has to sit up and take notice.

You've probably heard me rant and rave here at the DBB (a lot) Image about all sort of things - but the one thing that can make me angry just thinking about it is my DSL charges.

Here in New Zealand we have one of the (if not, THE!) finest Telecommunications systems in the world. All the phone lines are new. All the exchanges are new. The data network is all-fibre, and the last mile is copper. New Zealand's pipe to the world (The Southern Cross Cable) has a capacity in excess of 120GB/s!!

But our DSL servcies have been third-world, not first world.

I've been paying $70 a month for a 256/256 symmetrical DSL line, with a 2GB cap per month. I share the line with Contact (another D3er) and so we have beenlimited to 33MB per day - each, in order to stay under 2GB per month. We had to stay under it because excess data traffic is charged at 20 cents per MB!!! ($200/GB!!)

It was actually cheaper here, to have another TWO phone lines installed, get another TWO DSL connections and buy 2 more DSL modems and end up with 766Kb/s symmetrical with 6GB monthly traffic, than use 3GB on my 256 plan! That shows how retarded the system was!

But, on the 8th March Telecom New Zealand are decapping all DSL connections (domestic ones) and beginning to charge by speed rather than data traffic.

My new plan will be 512/512Kb/s for $75 a month. I'll get 10GB/month at the rated speed, and once I hit 10GB or more, the ISP will drop my speed down to 256/256, and once I hit 20GB they'll drop it down to 128/128 - until the next billing period where it'll jack back up to 512/512. Image

No extra charges at all.

I've been mailing just about every person in New Zealand who would listen, for about 18 months now: members of parliament, telecom, my ISP, lawyers, Consumers Institute, The prime minister, newspapers etc - trying to get some sense out of Telecom as to their insane DSL charging rates.

FINALLY sense has prevailed. I guess Telecom finally managed to figure it out: that the uptake of DSL was at 25% their expected rate 2 years after its introduction - and it was entirely due to the insane charges and pathetic data traffic limits. (Full speed DSL 2+Mb/640Kb started at 400MB a month for $90!!!)

I'm so happy I could just about cry.

So, I'll be setting up a D3 server for the local Antipodeans, and trying to find a P2P app that can work through my firewall (WinMX can't!) *PHEW*

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2004 11:43 pm
by Krom
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Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:01 am
by Whitewater
poor mobi.......
about ten gigs of kroms upload is courtesy of me in the last week Image

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:03 am
by Kyouryuu
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Arial" size="3">Originally posted by Mobius:
<b> But our DSL servcies have been third-world, not first world.
</b></font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You mean New Zealand isn't perfect? OMG!

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:24 am
by Vindicator
Congrats Mobi. Monthly traffic limits suck.

Mediacom here in IL has been really cool about their cable internet service. It started out as 1500/128 for $45/month, then a few weeks ago they doubled the speed (up and down) for no extra charge, with no bandwidth limits. Dunno why, but I'm glad they did.

What I want to know is, wtf are you gonna do with a 2000/640 DSL connect with only 400mb of traffic? My god... I burn through that in 2 days, give or take Image

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:47 am
by Ferno
1500/768, $30 bucks a month.

that's my pipe.

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:58 am
by Viralphrame
1400/1400 $35/mo.

love local ISPs..

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 1:59 am
by Robo
512/128 @ roughly $45 a month - sucks Image

The UK is third world for DSL.

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 2:11 am
by HaAGen DaZS
Mark - 600/128k, probably about the same as you!

im on NTL...

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 4:36 am
by rijruna
damn but thats excellent mobi & btw thx in advance for what u are doin for us in d3land downunder
cheers
rij

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 5:59 am
by woodchip
2 meg down\256 up for 29.00 per month. Poor Mobi. Image

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 6:47 am
by Tricord
10MBit/128KBit cable with a 10GB/month limit for â?¬41.95.

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 7:59 am
by JMEaT
3000/256
42 bucks/mo. No GB limit.

Edit:
19ms to wdc.speakeasy.net
22ms to nyc.speakeasy.net

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 8:01 am
by BUBBALOU
NOW (FL)
3000kbps / 256kbps $40
35ms to nyc.speakeasy.net

WAS(NY)
8500kbps / 920kbps average $40
6ms to nyc.speakeasy.net
[(caps 9999/999) fastest download was 1.08 MB p/s = 8850kbps from Microsoft.com]

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 8:58 am
by Warlock
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Arial" size="3">Originally posted by Whitewater:
<b> poor mobi.......
about ten gigs of kroms upload is courtesy of me in the last week Image</b></font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hey i help alot to Image

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 9:15 am
by Topher
100,000 kbs/100,000 kbs, equivalent of $2416. As a bonus deal (thanks to a coupon) I also get room/board and an edumacation. Image

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 10:40 am
by Top Wop
I need to ask some of these people paying 30 a month for fast DSL:

Where does one look for these local companies? I've tried looking around for some in my area but came up short.

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:07 pm
by Vertigo
dsl: 8192kbit/384kbit - free Image
cable: same as tricord


(yes, i have two broadband connections at home)

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:28 pm
by Mobius
Hehe - yep - you guys got some pretty hot deals indeed. Krommy - your cup runneth over!

But I can't really see myself doing more than 10 GB a month. Back when I had an unlimited 128/128 account, I left WinMX running solidly for a month and only used 8.9GB from memory. Image

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 1:42 pm
by Gammaray
768/128 34.95/mo. no caps... You be gettin screwed mobi.

used to have 640/128 (and CRAPPY 128 at that) @ $55/mo. but somebody let me in on a little deal, and I dug a bit. And since they fell through on their advertised deal, I got 3 months free on the higher speed service Image


The funny thing was, it wasn't an advertised deal until 2 days after I heard about it. Image I called that day and told Verizon that a friend had it, and told me to get it,and it was supposed to be available... HAHAH!

oh yeah, I get quite a bit more upload, currently Image Image
I haven't seriously tested, but I consistenly get 21-24kb/sec uploads via FTP, and that's not supposed to be normal in my experience... more like 12-16KB/sec for my puny 128kbps shovepipe.

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 3:23 pm
by MD-2389
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Arial" size="3">Originally posted by Solrazor:
You mean New Zealand isn't perfect? OMG!</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Image

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Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 3:25 pm
by DCrazy
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Arial" size="3">Originally posted by BUBBALOU:
<b>
WAS(NY)
8500kbps / 920kbps average $40
6ms to nyc.speakeasy.net
[(caps 9999/999) fastest download was 1.08 MB p/s = 8850kbps from Microsoft.com]</b></font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Same. Fastest download I ever had was from MS @ 2 MB/sec.

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 4:37 pm
by AceCombat
BellSouth, residential ADSL ~1.3M Down ~ 200K up 50$ month


PS: YES I know at first i was under the impression that i had VDSL due to my very very close proximity to a exchange Station ( less than 1000Ft. )but bubblebutt Image and a few others finally told me it wasnt.


Hey BTW: Bubba, would you email me please? i need to ask you about the modem stuff i was talking about and what you do for BS.

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:35 am
by Warlock
****

out here

40/m 1.5down 512up
50/m 2.0down 768up

Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:01 pm
by Richard Cranium
144/144 IDSL $103.23/mo no limits but at that speed do you really need them?

Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:53 pm
by Lothar
Heh Topher, same here... I get access to the server room (gigabit pipe), plus an education, and a stipend that pays room and board and then some Image w00t for school!

http://www.dslreports.com/archive/washington.edu

Further proof that New Zeland is not, in fact, the best place on earth Image If I'm not careful, I could get this moved over to the f*** with Mobi forum.