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Just got this from Slashdot. Way too cool; the Sci-Fi channel keeps upping the ante.

http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/

I wonder how fast the first season DVD box set is going to be out...

I think Battlestar is way above the Startrek series. More adult for one thing which is prolly why it is on at the 10:00 slot. I just hope they don't go into the time travel and alternate dimensions as fodder for story lines. So far I like the character development and sub-plots.

I stopped watching Sci-Fi when they canned Farscape and kept pushing Stargate shows.

Tyranny wrote:I stopped watching Sci-Fi when they canned Farscape and kept pushing Stargate shows.

wah

Stargate is my absolutely favorite show in the entire world. I try my best not to miss the episodes. Atlantis and Galactica are wonderful shows as well.

Battlestar had a moment where I just couldnt' stop laughing. Balzar was making love doggystyle to his "In head lady friend" when Starbuck walked in on him in the act. The look on his face was absolutely PRICELESS when she looked at him slunched over the table in that position.

Admiral Thrawn wrote:
Battlestar had a moment where I just couldnt' stop laughing. Balzar was making love doggystyle to his "In head lady friend" when Starbuck walked in on him in the act. The look on his face was absolutely PRICELESS when she looked at him slunched over the table in that position.

That Thrawn, was the "adult" I referred to in my reply.

fliptw wrote:I wonder how fast the first season DVD box set is going to be out...

Not soon enough......

Forgot to mention I was a fan of the original Battlestar series and uh...don't really care for what some of you consider "minor" changes to classic characters. Just so I don't get flamed, I hate it when any show/movie does stupid stuff like change gender/race on well known characters. So it's not just Galactica that suffers from my opinionated wrath. Sorry, it's really stupid but some things I just can't let slide

Tyranny wrote:I stopped watching Sci-Fi when they canned Farscape and kept pushing Stargate shows.

man, you are punishing yourself, not scifi... sucker

lol, my intent isn't to punish sci-fi. There are tons of people watching it for every day that I don't. I'm just not into their programming.

Personally sex+sci-fi= ★■◆● in a bag. Sorry.

However I have heard that the show is decent so I might check it out. I am partial to the original Starbuck though. HE was kickass.

I personally feel that sex/nudity really has no place in sci-fi. I seem to be getting more and more dissapointed with sci-fi as time goes on. The big reason I got sick of ST. :
Why don't they just make a sci-fi pr0n series and ax it all now. Put it out of its sad misery.

As usual, the more you refrain from comparisons with the original show (which had more than its fair share of tacky moments anyway), the better the re-make is.

Ty, I watched the original BG series way back when and with Lorne Green as Adama, I always thought the acting was little more than the Ponderosa in space. The new BG is much much better without the steriotypical character development (read "what development") the original had.

mob-messenger wrote:Personally sex+sci-fi= **** in a bag. Sorry.

Sex is a major part of life for any normal, healthy adult. It would be extremely unrealistic to keep sex out of any show (not just sci-fi) unless it were a kiddie show like Power Rangers. I think that TV shows that reflect real life are more engaging.

But perhaps you're more against _gratuitous_ sex than plot-driven sex? That's a tougher call to make: when does sexual content not add to the depth of a show? In the case of BSG, it's a highly character- and relationship-driven story. Removing all sexual content would definitely make it a lot less deep and interesting.

Genghis wrote:

mob-messenger wrote:Personally sex+sci-fi= **** in a bag. Sorry.

Sex is a major part of life for any normal, healthy adult. It would be extremely unrealistic to keep sex out of any show (not just sci-fi) unless it were a kiddie show like Power Rangers. I think that TV shows that reflect real life are more engaging.

But perhaps you're more against _gratuitous_ sex than plot-driven sex? That's a tougher call to make: when does sexual content not add to the depth of a show? In the case of BSG, it's a highly character- and relationship-driven story. Removing all sexual content would definitely make it a lot less deep and interesting.

You know there was this one time when they could imply it without showing it to the entire audience.

Ever note how we could have many great shows without sex. The original SG movie didn't show sex but they implied it. The Last Samurai, no sex but you did know that the two characters had a love interest. Or, Flight Of the Phoenix or even The Abyss, they never displayed sex and they never needed it in order to captivate their audience. Any ST movie before Nemesis, Spider-Man 1&2, sure, they can show it but not every other episode. BTW, sex is supposed to be something two people do in private... just thought I would let you know.

I'm simply saying that it can be implied without showing anything. Two people can kiss romantically and emotionally and you can pan the camera out and fade to the next scene to give someone the idea. Making it look like a three ring circus act is a totally different thing. Enterprise is a great example of this with the vulcan chick running around basically humping everyone aboard the enterprise. I didn't see this episode but my bro who is a fan of the show stated that one episode they all had a case of insomnia so they all had to get a massage and bring in sex. Sorry excuse if you ask me. If I remember correctly, the guys who made the new Battlestar even admitted that they were trying to fit as much sex as possible in the new version just to bring the ratings up. It just goes to show that they think that everyone who watches sci-fi must be perverted or an idiot who can't get a real gf. :
There is a difference between plot driven, implied sex and gratuitous sex for for absolutly no reason... other than some made up excuse in sci-fi BS to bring ratings up. :\

I watched the original BSG too, and I still like the new one better. Of course, I am older now. But this one seems to have better characters; and the cylons actually are characters now in the series. Most of the edgy sex stuff is related to Balzer; and he really is a little horny toad anyway, isn't he, so why not. btw, I'm starting to think he is a closet cylon ....

Too bad Tyranny, I think you're missing out on SG1. They have some really good character dynamics on that show. Just tonight they reshowed "Holiday", an episode from season 2 that's one of my favorites. Three members of the team get their personalities all switched around and it is a hoot watching the actors use the mannerisms of each other in character. It doesn't always hit the ball out of the park, but it's good enough for me to get on dvd.

You're also wrong about Enterprise, messenger. True, T'Pol does wear that sexy jumpsuit, and there was an occasion where the "neuropressure therapy" with Trip led to a certain...fling, but she never went around "humping everyone," as you seem to imply. In fact, for most of the show, she was pretty reserved; the whole emotional issues came into play only after she had had the Vulcan equivalent of an acid trip. I will say, though, that from the descriptions I've heard of Galactica, I think that type of thing is sex thrown in for the sake of sex, and that's something I'm not generally a fan of. If you want that, watch a porn flick; I'm here to see aliens and **** blowing up.

messenger wrote:BTW, sex is supposed to be something two people do in private... just thought I would let you know.

Uh, just so you know... most of the time the characters are having sex in private. Sure, the scenes were designed for us to watch, but remember, in the world of the characters that we're watching WE don't exist

dissent wrote: Just tonight they reshowed "Holiday", an episode from season 2 that's one of my favorites. Three members of the team get their personalities all switched around and it is a hoot watching the actors use the mannerisms of each other in character.

Thats great, I've seen the same type of gimmick used in atleast 4 other shows. Hell, cartoons do it all the time.

Heh!

What I do wonder though is how much they pay the actors to do that in front of a camera...

Ummm Tyr, my point was that it is not meant to be watched. It is something private that is meant to occure between two people who really love each other. Not meant to be watched by other people, PERIOD. It's a bodily function that is meant to be private. Notice how they do not select to show us a guy taking a BM on TV? Well at least not enough to see the turd splat in the toilet.

If you want to see two people have sex, go watch porn in a dark room where no one else is around.

But leave it out of sci-fi please. We want to see ★■◆● blow up and aliens running around killing people. We also like interesting theories and imaginitive ideas.

BTW, I heard from a lot of fans of the show that, that was their biggest hatred toward Enterprise. Don't try to claim that some of it wasn't for the ratings. Some of it was necessary to progress the story in Enterprise.

However, BSG, they stated right up front that it was for the RATEINGS!! :\

That is exactly my point though. Sex sells, and it is especially effective in a genre where the predominant viewing population are males roughly between the ages of 15-35 who most likely don't ever get laid much. They count on that being a selling point.

To say that if you want to see sex, go watch a porno flick is extreme IMO, because porn is exactly that, the extreme (despite how much that sells as well). While I agree that it isn't exactly necessary most of the time, it also portrays a very human activity that "most" of us can all relate to. Which is why it is used to garner the ratings.

Sirius wrote:Heh!

What I do wonder though is how much they pay the actors to do that in front of a camera...

Too much. I think most of us would be extremely happy if we got even half as much for what went on between our sheets

Tyranny wrote:That is exactly my point though. Sex sells, and it is especially effective in a genre where the predominant viewing population are males roughly between the ages of 15-35 who most likely don't ever get laid much. They count on that being a selling point.

And thus, my reason for not supporting it. I'm 21 and fair pretty well with girls, my brother is in his 30's and is married with two kids, and a number of other fans that I know aren't interested in sci-fi for sex.

As my brother put it, it is annoying when friends or family come over and you have to miss your show by shutting off the TV because it is embarrassing to watch in front of your family/friends.

Sure my earlier statement was extreme, but isn't that the point of being interested in watching two people on TV go at it? Just a point.

I agree with your brother, messenger. Why does it seem that humanity always has to cater to its own lowest common denominator? We're better than that, or at least we could be.

Top Gun wrote:Why does it seem that humanity always has to cater to its own lowest common denominator? We're better than that, or at least we could be.

Theres something to be said for people who seem to frown down on one of human natures most basic instincts and acts. Hell, it isn't just us, the whole world is designed that way really.

Maybe the tide is starting to turn and some of us aren't as claustrophobic about watching some of the things that turn us on sexually. Companies are counting on that I guess. While I agree that there is a time and a place, we're talking about network TV here. Some signs of affection, a little skin, a couple ending up in a bed kissing passionately. Seriously, this bothers you? We can't all be kids forever

heh, its funny how much I've flipped on this subject. I remember being against Enterprise for the same reasons you were messenger. Maybe because I just don't care anymore. Sex is sex, and network TV sex and their sexual innuendos are hardly anything to get all worked up over. Pun intended

fliptw wrote:I wonder how fast the first season DVD box set is going to be out...

Given how fast they're popping out SG-1 seasons lately, I wouldn't be suprised if it came out just a month after this season ends.

Tyranny, I personally think that the scenario you described is far to the mild side of what appears on some network shows; I personally am not too concerned with something like that, since I've seen shows that go farther. However,I do want to draw attention to what I feel is a key word in your post: "basic." Yes, we all know that humans have sex. Yes, we know it's a natural bodily function. However, that doesn't meen it has to be plastered, or even insinuated, in the vast majority of shows out there. For once, I'd like to see a show that rises above gratuitous depiction of physical pleasure, a show that treats love as something more pure. I know most of you don't agree with me, but I, for one, don't want sex thrown in every show out there. I don't want society to be any more relaxed about popular depictions of sex; in fact, I think we've gone too far in some respects. Yes, you may call me a prude, but I'll take that as a compliment.

Please note that I'm not comparing the scenes depicted on a show like BG to hardcore porn; I'm not that crazy.

Ok, you're a prude. Don't worry though, this country was founded by prudes

Most shows on TV are targeting us males specifically. Generally speaking most men don't care about the deeper meaning of love until their getting closer to 35 then they are 20 . They just want to get laid. That being said, it's a sad statement but...we do think about sex a lot for a very simple reason. Our objective in life is to procreate, thats why nature makes us so horny. You probably don't believe that, but I'm only being realistic here. There are some of us youngins that have always had a good grip on how relationships should be and aren't out just for the sex (though, that IS a bonus ). It's about treating women right when it comes down to it.

The TV shows that contain material in which we are debating about don't even borderline on being softcore porn though. There is no nudity, atleast not the kind that really matters, and no content being displayed where couples were not either clothed or under the covers on Network television (Underwear doesn't bother you does it? ). If there are any more programs using more explicit images all of them are aired at a time where children should already be in bed and are hardly "family" type programming.

That or they're full out softcore on the movie channels. Still, late at night and not family oriented. So, when it boils down to it, if there is something on a show that bothers you, don't watch it. If it isn't enough for you to stop watching a show or TV altogether....this whole subject is moot.

Top Gun wrote:Tyranny, I personally think that the scenario you described is far to the mild side of what appears on some network shows; I personally am not too concerned with something like that, since I've seen shows that go farther. However,I do want to draw attention to what I feel is a key word in your post: "basic." Yes, we all know that humans have sex. Yes, we know it's a natural bodily function. However, that doesn't meen it has to be plastered, or even insinuated, in the vast majority of shows out there. For once, I'd like to see a show that rises above gratuitous depiction of physical pleasure, a show that treats love as something more pure. I know most of you don't agree with me, but I, for one, don't want sex thrown in every show out there. I don't want society to be any more relaxed about popular depictions of sex; in fact, I think we've gone too far in some respects. Yes, you may call me a prude, but I'll take that as a compliment.

Please note that I'm not comparing the scenes depicted on a show like BG to hardcore porn; I'm not that crazy.

Couldn't have said it any better than that.

I'm not saying that the show is pr0n but I am simply stating that sex doesn't need to be displayed in every single show out there, nor in every single television series. If someone wants to see it THAT BAD then they probably should just go watch pr0n and get it over with or get a gf. However, as you also stated Tyr, not all males are just about sex. I am 21, been a sci-fi fan since probably my first year of life when my I discovered it through my brother's posters and when he would watch over me, building Klingon ships out of legos And I don't look at girls for sex. I see it as a nice bonus and follow the right head.

Point is, they do not need to place that much detail or information on public TV everywhere you look. Sci-Fi should be also be somewhat watchable by younger crowds. I remember being 6-7 years old and waiting to come home everyday to watch ST. Heck, I was the kid who got an award in one of my classes for having the SW books out every day all year long so no one else could even touch 'em.

I've never seen this series, but it looks pretty good. I'll have to check it out.

Tyranny, I'm well-aware on a daily basis that almost all young males think about is sex. Nature seems to like screaming, "Mate! Mate!" in your ear all day, every day. I know that there's absolutely no nudity displayed in the show in question, nor do I think that what is portrayed is anywhere near even softcore porn. (And no, I'm not bothered at all by lingerie. ) I realize that I fully have the option of turning off any show that bothers me, and I also realize that, even though I've never seen BG, I probably wouldn't have any major issues with it. My point, though, is that I'm kind of annoyed that the writers and directors of some of these series seem to feel the need to throw in references to/depictions of sex in almost every episode, even where there's no need for them. As I mentioned above, we all know that people have sex; that's not any reason to show it everywhere, though.

Top Gun wrote:If you want that, watch a porn flick; I'm here to see aliens and **** blowing up.

That's why I think that Starship Troopers was such a great movie. You had lot's of sex AND aliens and **** blowing up

Dedman wrote:

Top Gun wrote:If you want that, watch a porn flick; I'm here to see aliens and **** blowing up.

That's why I think that Starship Troopers was such a great movie. You had lot's of sex AND aliens and **** blowing up

That movie sucked donkey nutz :\