fancy a new disk burning app?

suicide eddie · Post by **suicide eddie** » Wed May 25, 2005 3:00 pm

ooo look its free and with forum support

http://www.cdburnerxp.se/

CDN_Merlin · Post by **CDN_Merlin** » Wed May 25, 2005 3:59 pm

That actually seems like a nifty program. I use Alcohol 120% for everything cept burning music cd's. This might come in handy. Thx

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Wed May 25, 2005 4:03 pm

That looks pretty good. The only burning software I have is the copy of Sonic RecordNow! that came with my Dell, so I might have to give this a try.

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Wed May 25, 2005 4:04 pm

Happy with Nero right now.

DCrazy · Post by **DCrazy** » Wed May 25, 2005 9:31 pm

If only it had the virtual drive support that Alcohol has, then I'd never use a different program again!

Nosferatu · Post by **Nosferatu** » Wed May 25, 2005 9:45 pm

It would be nice to have an alternative to nero/roxio bloatware.

But this thread on their forums has some food for thought and Im not ready to fully trust them yet.

http://www.cdburnerxp.se/forum/viewtopi ... 96ff2f0afc

DCrazy · Post by **DCrazy** » Wed May 25, 2005 10:09 pm

Erm... why wouldn't you trust it? There's plenty of freeware out there that isn't open-source. For example, when I released Animake (the second OAF generation tool ever, coming after only Outrage's own OAF tool), I released it as freeware, but not open-sourced. Same as SuperSheep's amazing swiss-army-knife-of-an-application called OGFTool.

[edit] Holy crap. I can't believe I wrote that program. And I also wrote D3MInstaller (wonder why *that* never took off...). I must have spent a grand total of 30 hours on those two programs combined. [/edit]

MD-2389 · Post by **MD-2389** » Wed May 25, 2005 10:39 pm

Krom wrote:Happy with Nero right now.

x2

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Thu May 26, 2005 12:43 am

Nosferatu, if you don't trust freeware programs that aren't open-source, are you saying that you wouldn't trust something along the lines of Winamp, Trillian, ZoneAlarm, Ad-Aware, Spybot, Teamspeak, Fraps, or any other programs along these lines? The majority of the freeware programs I use aren't open-source, and I don't see any reason not to trust them.

BUBBALOU · Post by **BUBBALOU** » Thu May 26, 2005 3:38 am

Roxio here (all the autoshiz disabled), going to check out version 7.5 ... not that I am intrested in Virtual drives.

I only use CD copy and CD Creator Classic from the Roxio Suite.... everything else is either not installed or never used

Nero has too many issues: after many a game install had uninstall nero and wait for an update. they can eat my left one

CloneCD and A120 Gone too, more issues with Game installs...I buy my Software, So I do not need these either ..thanks!

Only thing left from nero on my system is Nero WnAspi32 used by EAC & LAME combo for perfect variable bitrate Mp3 extractions from my CD collection

But to each his own. I started back when it was adaptec with CD Creator

Nosferatu · Post by **Nosferatu** » Thu May 26, 2005 9:46 am

Top_Gun all Im saying is I trust open source, "MORE".

Oh and BTW.

I use....
Media Player Classic, Gaim, and my firewall is iptables through a linux machine. Until now I never even heard of FRAPS and I never use such an ap anyway.

Other fine pieces of open source software that I use are 7-zip, Mozilla, Filezilla, OpenOffice, emuleplus, virtualdub, GIMP, Audacity, Clamwin, Eraser, CDex, BZFlag, Blender.

Oh ya, cant forget Postgresql and wine. (I keep on editing this response as other things come to mind)

I do admit to using Ad-Aware and Teamspeak.

fliptw · Post by **fliptw** » Thu May 26, 2005 10:35 am

Nosferatu wrote:Top_Gun all Im saying is I trust open source, "MORE".

This is the thing: Open source by itself isn't a component that the majority of people should use trust a product. For the vast majority of people, Nosferatu is a good example, the source code is useless to them, they can't understand it.

You shouldn't trust what you don't understand. Just because something has its source availble for public viewing doesn't mean it isn't a trojan, or has some malware slipped in.

Simply because the vast majority of cars on the road have ample documentation on their workings shouldn't be used as the primary reason to buy a car; same goes for software.

Nosferatu · Post by **Nosferatu** » Thu May 26, 2005 10:39 am

Thing is I actually CAN if I put in the time to read through it. My profession is in programming.

And the point about open source software is that there ARE many people like me who CAN read the source and if anything malevolent is stuck in, then it WILL be found out. When the source is closed, that cant happen.

fliptw · Post by **fliptw** » Thu May 26, 2005 10:49 am

Nosferatu wrote:Thing is I actually CAN if I put in the time to read through it. My profession in programming.

This is the key: there are too many "ifs" in that statement.

It says to me that you grant trust before checking.

You might want to stop smoking the crack RMS is handing out.

The mechanisms that are used to protect and discover bugs are the same for both open sourced and closed soured projects:

1. the main repository has guards around it

2. Bugs are discovered by running compiled code, not thru reading the souce re: D2X-w32 thread

Nosferatu · Post by **Nosferatu** » Thu May 26, 2005 11:14 am

fliptw wrote:
Nosferatu wrote:Thing is I actually CAN if I put in the time to read through it. My profession in programming.
This is the key: there are too many "ifs" in that statement.

It says to me that you grant trust before checking.

You might want to stop smoking the crack RMS is handing out.

The mechanisms that are used to protect and discover bugs are the same for both open sourced and closed soured projects:

1. the main repository has guards around it

2. Bugs are discovered by running compiled code, not thru reading the souce re: D2X-w32 thread

Too many ifs? I count one.

Whatever. You have your opinion, I have mine.

Mine is that since the source is open for all to see, then the entity actually producing the code is MUCH less likely to try anything funny with it.

Things like,

Deliberately breaking Windows 3.1 so it wont intsall on DRDOS.
Making Win95 Registration Wizard, snoop on your installed software.
Adding an NSAKEY to Win2K.

These are 3 confirmed cases. Im sure others can think of more.

Ill just happily go on using my open source software, knowing full well that peer review of the code is at least possible.

Nosferatu · Post by **Nosferatu** » Thu May 26, 2005 1:20 pm

BTW let me add that one of the explinations I might just accept is if the cdburnerxp people state in their faq that they have nondisclosure agreements with some of the burner manufacturers. They are working on their faq at the moment and have said they are going to state what their position is on open source.

So Ill keep an eye on it.

Iceman · Post by **Iceman** » Thu May 26, 2005 1:27 pm

MD-2389 wrote:
Krom wrote:Happy with Nero right now.
x2

X3

I liked the freebie so much I went ahead and spent the $80 for the Ultra Edition ... Money well spent too ...

Nosferatu · Post by **Nosferatu** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:52 am

Nosferatu wrote:
fliptw wrote:
Nosferatu wrote:Thing is I actually CAN if I put in the time to read through it. My profession in programming.
This is the key: there are too many "ifs" in that statement.

It says to me that you grant trust before checking.

You might want to stop smoking the crack RMS is handing out.

The mechanisms that are used to protect and discover bugs are the same for both open sourced and closed soured projects:

1. the main repository has guards around it

2. Bugs are discovered by running compiled code, not thru reading the souce re: D2X-w32 thread
Too many ifs? I count one.

Whatever. You have your opinion, I have mine.

Mine is that since the source is open for all to see, then the entity actually producing the code is MUCH less likely to try anything funny with it.

Things like,

Deliberately breaking Windows 3.1 so it wont intsall on DRDOS.
Making Win95 Registration Wizard, snoop on your installed software.
Adding an NSAKEY to Win2K.

These are 3 confirmed cases. Im sure others can think of more.

Ill just happily go on using my open source software, knowing full well that peer review of the code is at least possible.

Sorry to bump an old thread but Microsoft just recently proved my point. Check this out:

http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid= ... 72&tid=201

Now thats some major evil by a proprietary software company.

Way to go M$! Just keep convincing me to use open source. You've pretty much set it in stone with me now.

AceCombat · Post by **AceCombat** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:24 pm

thats a pretty good program, im testing it right now

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 3:18 pm

Krom wrote:Happy with Nero right now.

X4

Admiral LSD · Post by **Admiral LSD** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:09 pm

Krom wrote:Happy with Nero right now.

x5

Although I was none to happy when they refused to upgrade my OEM 5.whatever to 6 and even less happy with the crappy "Nero Express" OEM POS that came bundled with my DVD burner so I "bought" a copy of the full thing and am happy again