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Unlawful restraint of a minor = sex offense?

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 5:53 pm
by Tetrad
Normally I don't care enough about the news to post stuff here but this I have to share:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst ... est01.html
Fitzroy Barnaby said he had to swerve to avoid hitting the 14-year-old Des Plaines girl who walked in front of his car.

She said he yelled, "Come here, little girl," before getting out of his car and grabbing her by the arm.

He said he simply lectured her.

She said she broke free and ran, fearful of what he'd do next.

In a Thursday ruling, the Appellate Court of Illinois said the 28-year-old Evanston man must register as a sex offender.

While acknowledging it might be "unfair for [Barnaby] to suffer the stigmatization of being labeled a sex offender when his crime was not sexually motivated," the court said his actions are the type that are "often a precursor" to a child being abducted or molested.

Though Barnaby was acquitted of attempted kidnapping and child abduction charges stemming from the November 2002 incident, he was convicted of unlawful restraint of a minor -- which is a sex offense.

...

Cook County state's attorney spokesman Tom Stanton said Barnaby should have to register "because of the proclivity of offenders who restrain children to also commit sex acts or other crimes against them."

In the criminal case against him, Cook County Judge Patrick Morse said that "it's more likely than not" Barnaby planned only "to chastise the girl" when he grabbed her, but "I can't read his mind."

"I don't really see the purpose of registration in this case. I really don't," Morse said. "But I feel that I am constrained by the statute."

Recognizing the stigma that comes with being labeled as a sex offender, the appellate court said "it is [Barnaby's] actions which have caused him to be stigmatized, not the courts."
I'm sure I've made my feelings know about what I think of the idea of a "sex offender" in the past, so I won't go into that, but regardless this is crap.

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 9:55 pm
by Testiculese
That is @#$%ing disgusting. The appellate court out to be dragged out and horsewhipped.

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:03 pm
by Top Gun
Not a very smart move on his part, but that's still an idiotic ruling.

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:14 pm
by roid
CRIPES!

Does anyone understand what the hell this judge is talking about? Because to my layman eyes it seems he is PURPOSEFULLY misreading the situation.

"statute"? "proclivity"?
are not these things so vastly overruled by the ★■◆●ing obvious REASONABLE DOUBT?!

This would be my WORST nightmare.
i'm outraged.


(trying to find out more about the case, google comes up with nothing but your link. i sent an email to the journalist, here's hoping he sheds more light)

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:29 pm
by Will Robinson
He said he can't read his mind...so he rules that way based on...well, uh, his best guess of what was in the guys mind?!?!
You know they don't let just anyone be a judge these days...you have to be a freakin' idiot now to get the job!!

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:12 am
by Avder
So how long until we officially rename ourselves to the American Empire with dumbass bull★■◆● draconian laws and rulings like this?

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 6:17 am
by Skyalmian
Avder wrote:So how long until we officially rename ourselves to the American Empire with dumbass bull**** draconian laws and rulings like this?
I came across the new pledge of allegiance. It's sweet:
Pledge of Allegiance wrote:I pledge allegiance to our masters
of the United States of America
and to their Empire which they rule,
one nation under their thumb, taxable,
with tyranny and injustice for all.
:D :lol:

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:03 pm
by Palzon
suntimes wrote:"I don't really see the purpose of registration in this case. I really don't," Morse (the judge) said. "But I feel that I am constrained by the statute."
I'd like to think this would be overturned but if Illinois classifies unlawful restraint as a sex offense then it would seem as if the court adhered to the law.

i believe in texas it would be considered a category of physical abuse, not sexual abuse.

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:52 pm
by Stryker
roid wrote:CRIPES!
You called me?

This is saddening... This judge hasn't really overstepped any legal judicial bounds, but for crying out loud, is common sense illegal anymore?

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 11:18 am
by roid
got this reply back:
I've been reading some online postings in repsonse to this and understand
the skepticism, given no other media have picked it up. I can't explain
that, sorry. It's there to be read at the Appellate Court clerk's office at
Lasalle and Randolph in Chicago.
More to it ... well, it was a 16-page ruling and I summarized the important
stuff, I thought.

He drops his girlfriend off at work, he's driving back home, girl's on her
way to school, the near-hit happens, he yells at her, pulls around and gets
out, grabs her, pulls her toward his car and yells at her, she breaks free
and runs off crying, meeting up with friends. A day or two later, she's in a
car with her friend's mom, they see the same guy, same car, she tells the
mom, mom calls police, he's arrested at Blockbuster a few blocks away, girl
makes positive ID. Trial comes, not guilty on 2, guilty on 1, judge says
that charge is a sex offense, he appeals, appellate court says - yes, it is
a sex offense and now you've got to register.
Guy has no priors. State's attorney stands by push for registration, judge
says he's constrained by the law, appellate court says that's right.

Unfortunately, there's nothing more to it.



Steve Patterson
Chicago Sun-Times
350 N. Orleans St.
Chicago, Ill. 60654
312-321-2090
spatterson@suntimes.com
does anyone care to venture what "not guilty on 2, guilty on 1" means?

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 12:10 pm
by Top Wop
Proves theres alot of garbage in Illinois. And Lisa Madigan is a loud-mouthed ★■◆● as usual, especially for pushing this registration on this guy.

Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:38 pm
by DCrazy
Roid, it means he was found not guilty on two charges ("attempted kidnapping" and "child abduction") but found guilty on "unlawful restraint of a minor". That's all it means.

Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:49 pm
by Dedman
I love my Country just a little bit more each day :roll:

Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 10:29 pm
by roid
thx DC, that sheds a little more light on the topic.

i guess the problem here is that "unlawful restraint of a minor" is for some reason catagorised as a sex offence. maybe the law-makers typoed something eh?

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 12:04 am
by Ferno
femenist agenda.

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 12:08 am
by Sirius
I saw this on another BB, actually. There the guy that discovered the news story suggested running her over next time.

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 12:33 pm
by Birdseye
Only in America can there be a sex offense without any sexual content in the offense.

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:32 pm
by Diedel
Sirius wrote:I saw this on another BB, actually. There the guy that discovered the news story suggested running her over next time.
Maybe run over the judge instead. :P

Well ... what do you expect from a country where police officers take away little children in handcuffs for saying some crap about their teacher, or because a neighbour told lies about it.

This would be simply impossible here. And if it was, and it was my child, the police would have to drag me out in handcuffs before I'd allow them to touch my child in such a way. If they still could after trying. :evil:

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:33 pm
by Behemoth
Aye, this is a very good depiction of our sad justice system these days..

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:13 pm
by dissent
Yes, I live in Illinois. And yes, I think we have more than our fair share of idiots here. *sigh*

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:39 am
by Sting_Ray
Makes you wish that beating other people's children was legal.

It's funny... A decent man shows up in court, and almost invariably the court follows statute to the letter and ruin him... but a cretin like Michael Jackson comes around and they deliberate for months over the case. Heaven forbid they fu(k up his reputation.

Your past defines you.

Unfortunately in this man's case his future now haunts him. A sex-offender flag is the worst thing to put on your record. Women keep bit(hing about being discriminated by men... seems they got more power than they think. They can destroy a man with just a few words. In the military a rape charge whether legitimate or concocted will result in a discharge (at least this is what my 1SG tells us) and the chances of being acquitted is slim and none... something on the lines of a 10% chance even if you're innocent. All a female has to do is claim she was raped to send a good man packing. 10-15 years in military prison... turning big rocks in to smaller rocks.

Females are taking over America, men...

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:05 pm
by Behemoth
Sting_Ray wrote:
Your past defines you.


Females are taking over America, men...
#1. So true, so true.

#2. Most of us have noticed that for quite a few years, and its Just now getting worse to the point where alot more people actually notice it.

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:22 pm
by Palzon
Sting_Ray wrote:Females are taking over America, men...
Yeah! we should turn it into a glass par...oh shiz wrong thread :P