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We need more of this:

"Those terrorists have ruined the reputation of Arabs in Europe" and have hurt the religion.


"Arabs will be facing more harassment now. That's why Arabs should stand together against these terrorist groups which has only one goal of killing innocent women, elderly and children."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07 ... index.html

We need to get these types of people more exposure. Why isn't there a major muslim leader against the war on TV all the time? I think the US media has a chance to help with peace. If they help prop up an Arab peace lover, that could help sway other arabs.

Well thats a very naive statement. Since when have the media been helpful or useful? So far they only serve to agitate and would rather have the conflict to continue so that they can have some sensationalism to report on or have more excuse to say "Bush is teh suxorz". You honestly think the media gives a damn?

Heh, from my standpoint Bush has been given such a green light from the media it is rediculous.

I agree the media is full of irresponsible jerk offs. But that doesn't mean we should give up. I think the white house and congress is filled with incompetent sycophants, so does that mean I should give up and stop voting since they never seem to do much good?

Voting is not enough. You need to let them know throught letters and phone calls and make them think that there are a bunch of other people like you who think the same way and that they (people who elect) also determine wether he/she gets to keep their job at capitol hill or not. They need to be reminded of that every once in a while. Otherwise this whole concept that power comes from the people is just an illusion.

Bush however has not been given credit where credit is due. I really dont know how you can come up with that conclusion after night after night of hearing about Bush bad this and Bush bad that and how everything negative and nothing positive has been reported and exposed when it comes to Iraq. The negativity and misreporting is depressing and thus I have stopped watching the news months ago.

Birdseye wrote:We need to get these types of people more exposure.

Keep in mind this doesn't necessarily have to be on TV -- or, at least, it doesn't have to start there.

If you hear about something like this, pass the word on to friends, and hope they pass it on too. Maybe the media will eventually catch on...

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Birdseye wrote:We need more of this:

"Those terrorists have ruined the reputation of Arabs in Europe" and have hurt the religion.


"Arabs will be facing more harassment now. That's why Arabs should stand together against these terrorist groups which has only one goal of killing innocent women, elderly and children."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07 ... index.html

We need to get these types of people more exposure. Why isn't there a major muslim leader against the war on TV all the time? I think the US media has a chance to help with peace. If they help prop up an Arab peace lover, that could help sway other arabs.

That man is smart, and yes more people should back him up if they care about stopping the escalation of these "terrorist" activites.

Top Wop, I feel like you are projecting anger from another thread at me, and arguing only because of my slight at you in another thread.

"Voting is not enough. You need to let them know throught letters and phone calls and make them think that there are a bunch of other people like you who think the same way and that they (people who elect) also determine wether he/she gets to keep their job at capitol hill or not. They need to be reminded of that every once in a while. Otherwise this whole concept that power comes from the people is just an illusion.

How many ★■◆●ing phone calls have you made? How many letters have you written, besides the one forced on you in High School civics? I know voting is not enough, that's why I engage in political discourse and DO write them and sign petitions.
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Bush however has not been given credit where credit is due. I really dont know how you can come up with that conclusion after night after night of hearing about Bush bad this and Bush bad that and how everything negative and nothing positive has been reported and exposed when it comes to Iraq. The negativity and misreporting is depressing and thus I have stopped watching the news months ago.

We live in different realities. I think bush should have been impeached long ago, but it didn't happen.

Anyway, I'd prefer if you didn't derail the thread with your projected anger. It's bizarre that you are seemingly *idle* when it comes to the *other side* rooting for peace. That's what this has now really come down to: us vs. the muslims. And we want peace (or at least I do) so therefore we need to welcome and prop up muslim leaders that call for an end to violence, we need more than ANYTHING these types of muslims. I can't think of ANYTHING that will help our situation more than muslims condemning the actions of the terrorists.

Iâ??m projecting anger? I think you are over-analyzing. I was merely making a point that we have to do more than just pushing a pin down a punch card and take an active role in our government. But if you want to derail the thread yourself about how you feel that I am being angry towards you then go ahead because I wonâ??t take part in such psychological analytics. Stop pretending that I have a vendetta against you and just debate the issues please.

The extremist Muslims do not communicate on diplomacy. They communicate on pain and fear and they are conditioning their young to be strict, loyal war machines. The first step is to prevent recruitment and get the rest to realize that terrorism is not the answer. The next step is to give the remaining extremists a taste of their own medicine because they wont suddently break down at a peace conference or "interfaith dialogue". Their mission as stated in the Koran is to spread their religion and if the people dont accept it then they have a right to wage war against them because "god" is supposed to help them.

The first step is to prevent recruitment and get the rest to realize that terrorism is not the answer.

Precisely. That's why we need to promote muslims who promote peace. I'm flabbergasted that you think this is a bad thing.

Birdseye wrote:

The first step is to prevent recruitment and get the rest to realize that terrorism is not the answer.

Precisely. That's why we need to promote muslims who promote peace. I'm flabbergasted that you think this is a bad thing.

I agree, they would be more apt to listen to one of their own countrymen then one of us "infidels" so i'm all for muslim peacekeeping negotiators.

And to prevent recruitment is not to give them any reason to use for recruitment.

Unless the powers that be send in snatch teams to remove extremist mullahs who indoctrinate 6 year old boys into believing the west is evil and valhalla is attained by blowing themselves up, then I'm afraid there will be a continuing supply of walking bomb fodder.

woodchip wrote:Unless the powers that be send in snatch teams to remove extremist mullahs who indoctrinate 6 year old boys into believing the west is evil and valhalla is attained by blowing themselves up, then I'm afraid there will be a continuing supply of walking bomb fodder.

Interesting comment, *me wonders what the president was thinking when he sent teams to the middle east*

Birdseye wrote:We need more of this:

We need to get these types of people more exposure. Why isn't there a major muslim leader against the war on TV all the time? I think the US media has a chance to help with peace. If they help prop up an Arab peace lover, that could help sway other arabs.

BIG x2 here. Its time they show the POV from the muslim moderate side, so the brain-dead redneck morons get a chance to see that they all aren't walking/talking bombs.

Birdseye wrote:

The first step is to prevent recruitment and get the rest to realize that terrorism is not the answer.

Precisely. That's why we need to promote muslims who promote peace. I'm flabbergasted that you think this is a bad thing.

I never said this was a bad thing but once again you choose to put words in my mouth.

...right, that's why you responded negatively initially

ah yes and while we in the west are trying to get our media to promote a moderate Arab for the Muslims to look up to, we have the ever faithful Al-Jazera acting as the Michael Moore of the Muslim world. if any of you really think that radical muslims are going to listen to a peace talking Mullah your either niave, stupid or both, this war has been going on for THOUSANDS of years in the same fashion it is now. the hate that the Arabs have for anyone not Arab will not change in ours your childrens or your grandchildrens........ life time

CUDA wrote:ah yes and while we in the west are trying to get our media to promote a moderate Arab for the Muslims to look up to, we have the ever faithful Al-Jazera acting as the Michael Moore of the Muslim world. if any of you really think that radical muslims are going to listen to a peace talking Mullah your either niave, stupid or both, this war has been going on for THOUSANDS of years in the same fashion it is now. the hate that the Arabs have for anyone not Arab will not change in ours your childrens or your grandchildrens........ life time

Nobody said we just thought that they would drop theyre ways to listen to someone like that,what we DID say is we oughta support someone like this in as much ways as we can.

You're right. Let's all give up and just nuke them. What was I thinking?

Birdseye wrote:You're right. Let's all give up and just nuke them. What was I thinking?

Finally Birdy is making sense....

CUDA wrote: the hate that the Arabs have for anyone not Arab will not change in ours your childrens or your grandchildrens........ life time

are you here to ensure that?

your hatred is as entrenched as theirs.

The kind of radical preaching in the al Quds mosque in Germany that helped turn Muhamed Amir (aka Muhamed Atta) into a 9/11 islamikazi, and the same jihad crap he later taught others in study groups there would have landed him in jail in his native country of Egypt or even in Saudi Arabia.
Although they aren't always consistant about it or 100% effective, most arab contries are aware of the downside of letting these guys go off the deep end with their islamo-fascism and don't tolerate it. It's when these wanna-be jihadi's get to america or other countries that protect their hate speech that they are able to recruit and boil over into human timebombs (pun intended).

So my guess is the current War on Terror effort, if it is continued, and the subsequent public debate that has cropped up in it's defense will do more to curb the islamo-fascists than a shiny parking lot anywhere in the middle east.
It just won't be nearly as quick or spectacular a solution as the glass parking lot method.

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2005/07/i ... ch_ag.html

Iraqis march against terror...

Ninewah, hmm, I wonder if there's any relationship to the Biblical "Nineveh."

Considering that Nineveh was near where Mosul now is (source), and Ninawa / Ninewah is the province containing Mosul (source), I'd say it's likely they're related words.

Keep in mind neither word was originally written in our alphabet. Hebrew and Arabic are both hard to transliterate... so it wouldn't surprise me if they're actually the same word, just transliterated differently.

You don't think for a second that Muslim leaders coming out and denouncing terrorism would have the slightest effect on terrorism do you?

Now, That's Naive!

The only thing this *might* accomplish is for common people to report suspicious activities to the authorities - nothing more.

I think its more of a generational thing. If you can get young potential mothers & fathers to be against terrorism they are more likely to pass on anti-terrorist values. If it stays societally acceptable (I think I remember 2 countries having over 50% ratings for what bin laden does) then I think more terrorists will be hatched then if the number is greatly reduced.

Mobius wrote:You don't think for a second that Muslim leaders coming out and denouncing terrorism would have the slightest effect on terrorism do you?

Long-term, yes, it will.

As Birdseye said, if you can get the culture to be more strongly against terrorism now, people will raise their kids to be against terrorism, and fewer terrorists will be around in the next generation.

Terrorists, like any weapon, are manufactured by something -- and that something is a culture. If we can greatly reduce the number of terrorists the culture creates, even if we don't start seeing the effects for 15 or 20 years, it's a positive development.

Perhaps when enough muslims die from these deluded madmen, the message will sink in that terrorism isn't anyones friend.

Behemoth wrote:

woodchip wrote:Unless the powers that be send in snatch teams to remove extremist mullahs who indoctrinate 6 year old boys into believing the west is evil and valhalla is attained by blowing themselves up, then I'm afraid there will be a continuing supply of walking bomb fodder.

Interesting comment, *me wonders what the president was thinking when he sent teams to the middle east*

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I think a better education for all people would benefit us. Less uneducated rednecks (in all countries - I know of so many facists), the less hatred projected from our end (in other words i agree with fern), and more Muslim leaders condeming terrorism, the expected number of terrorists would hopefully drop (in other words i agree with birds).

British Sunni Muslims Issue Fatwa Against Terrorism:
http://author.voanews.com/english/2005-07-17-voa32.cfm