Lovely Rita, Meter Maid

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:08 am

"where would I be without you"

Let the Brits be thankful that they don't have Cat 4 & 5 hurricanes trying to blow London Bridge down.
What I am wondering here is how you all may view the comparison between Galviston's preperation and how the state of Texas is handling impending doom to that of Louisiana and New Orleans. From what I can see Galviston and Texas are doing a much better job of preparing for Rita. The question is why? Hindsight after Kats headjob to New Orleans? Better coordination in Texas between the various agencies? Or is it as Jesse "Rainbow Man" Jackson put it, "More aid will go to affluent white folk areas"? Lets see how the racist card gets played here.

Flabby Chick · Post by **Flabby Chick** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:35 am

LOL...i knew Will, Bash or yourself would come up with that title.

As for the topic itself i think hindsight plays a major role in this. I couldn't honestly answer the race question 'cause i'm not in the thick of the country, and it's very difficult to get an idea of what American culture is anymore off the media.

Iceman · Post by **Iceman** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:40 am

When the Katrina warning came out, peeps were sick and tired of boxing up and evac'ing every time a hurricane warning was issued. Not so now ...

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:38 pm

"Let the Brits be thankful that they don't have Cat 4 & 5 hurricanes trying to blow London Bridge down."

I drunkenly rambled across the London Bridge about 10 years ago. Funny thing, though, was that I was in Arizona!

http://www.roadtripamerica.com/places/havasu.htm

Sorry for the hijack.

I think Hurricane warnings will be taken very seriously in the wake of Katrina. At least for the next year or two.

will_kill · Post by **will_kill** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:02 pm

Vander wrote:"I think Hurricane warnings will be taken very seriously in the wake of Katrina. At least for the next year or two".

Apparently, according to some meteorologists, we have just seen the beginning of a ([long repeated cycle]<what's the word I'm looking for?) that should bring storms of this severity for prolly two or three more decades??

Dedman · Post by **Dedman** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:11 pm

I think the answer is glaringly obvious. President Bush cares more about whites than he does blacks.

Iceman · Post by **Iceman** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:19 pm

Yes and he has summoned the Gods of the Wind to kill all the blacks they can.

Dedman · Post by **Dedman** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:47 am

Iceman, you DO understand.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:28 am

Yep, tell those welfare queens hiding in the astrodome they can run but they can't hide!

Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Admiral Thrawn** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:46 am

Well, Bush would be stupid to not have his ducks in line this time. Especially considering that Texas is his home state. Considering the fallout from the local and government authorities dropping the ball on the Katrina fiasco, nobody wants to jeapardize their career by not having their plans in place for this one.

Here's the interesting scenario. What would have happened if Katrina had the same results, but struck AFTER this one hits Texas. Or if Katrina had struck Texas first, and this one was going after New Orleans next. What would the situation and the politics surrounding it be like?

SilverFJ · Post by **SilverFJ** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:40 am

Iceman wrote:Yes and he has summoned the Gods of the Wind to kill all the blacks they can.

Thats where crack and AIDS came from.

Iceman · Post by **Iceman** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:41 am

Admiral Thrawn wrote:Well, Bush would be stupid to not have his ducks in line this time. Especially considering that Texas is his home state. Considering the fallout from the local and government authorities dropping the ball on the Katrina fiasco, nobody wants to jeapardize their career by not having their plans in place for this one.

Here's the interesting scenario. What would have happened if Katrina had the same results, but struck AFTER this one hits Texas. Or if Katrina had struck Texas first, and this one was going after New Orleans next. What would the situation and the politics surrounding it be like?

I think it would be the same. The unfortunate fact is that Katrina caught us with our pants down. It was an unprecedented event and we were not prepared for it. When it happened, nobody knew what to do. Why not? Because we had not considered an event of Katrina's magnitude. Even if the powers that be had been up to the challenge, the governmental structure would have interfered with our ability to effectively deal with the situation.

will_kill · Post by **will_kill** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:06 am

SilverFJ wrote:
Iceman wrote:Yes and he has summoned the Gods of the Wind to kill all the blacks they can.
Thats where crack and AIDS came from.

heh..this topic is about to get very interesting

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:26 am

Actually Aids came from gays who were (and still are) too stupid to understand that sharing a jacuzzi with five other gays, having unprotected anal sex and swapping partners does not lead to becoming infected.

Iceman · Post by **Iceman** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:47 am

Actually AIDS came from another virus (SIVcpz) that had infected chimpanzees. It is thought that the transfer came from the butchering and consumption of monkey meat in Africa http://www.avert.org/origins.htm. The first person to get it (known as Patient 0) was gay and transmitted it to multiple partners (in Africa) and then it spread.

I am willing to bet that Mr. O was doing something else with those monkeys too ...

Couver_ · Post by **Couver_** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:59 am

From hurricanes to monkey porn....

Bleah..

Ice hit it on the head we had no clue what a huge storm could do to a bowl of a city...

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:13 am

Couver_ wrote: Ice hit it on the head we had no clue what a huge storm could do to a bowl of a city...

Sure we knew. We just didn't want to believe.

Palzon · Post by **Palzon** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:53 am

Iceman wrote:The unfortunate fact is that Katrina caught us with our pants down. It was an unprecedented event and we were not prepared for it. Because we had not considered an event of Katrina's magnitude.

You are correct (in a completely and totally wrong kind of way). Are you listening to yourself? The entire thing was predicted years ago. It was only a matter of time.

Coincidentally, it is only a matter of time before you say something else as equally rediculous.

Iceman · Post by **Iceman** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:29 pm

Well, seeing as you are the all knowing ... you got me. As an Alabamian I was unaware of the danger and as a result never made any squeaks about it. I am sure that there are many, many more Americans that were unaware of the problem too. I am equally sure that you knew all about it and were actively campaigning to avoid the disaster ... seeing as you are always right and 'in the know'. If I lived in NO that would probably not be the case. That case would be unexcusable (as in Mayor Nagin's, Governor Blanco's). Maybe think before you jump and post?

Oh yeah, it has been predicted that the California west of the San Andreas fault will split off and roll into the Pacific ocean. Are you campaigning to avoid that disaster also?

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Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:10 pm

Most of the americans that were unaware were not told by the people who should have told them.

just let joe sixpack go on about his/her business and when the hurricane hits they play the plausable deniablilty card.

um, ice.. those are two completely different events.

Iceman · Post by **Iceman** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:13 pm

Ya think?

SilverFJ · Post by **SilverFJ** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:50 pm

Two different events, like crack and AIDS.

Always blaming the gays for AIDS. tsk tsk
Blame Ronald Reagan for crack.

bitches.

Iceman · Post by **Iceman** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:56 pm

Ferno wrote:um, ice.. those are two completely different events.

Iceman wrote:Ya think?

SilverFJ · Post by **SilverFJ** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:57 pm

dammit Iceman, I'm trying to talk about crack and AIDS here.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:44 pm

SilverFJ wrote:dammit Iceman, I'm trying to talk about crack and AIDS here.

Why? Are you looking for some? Maybe your tag line should be...Gay b1tches.

SilverFJ · Post by **SilverFJ** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:07 pm

maybe. you've definitely put things in perspective.

gay bitches.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:03 pm

Then why'd ya post such a goofy analogy ice?

Iceman · Post by **Iceman** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:10 pm

Because I thought I was responding to goofy logic.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:10 pm

Seeing the traffic jambs, I'm not understanding why the south bound lanes were not opened to north bound traffic. Ten hours to go 50 miles is ludicrous. Some people turned back because of this and will now be stuck in Houston. After all the talk by Texas officials about how prepared they are, not opening the south bound lanes shows a certain lack of understanding what it takes to evacuate a major U.S. city (Houston)

SilverFJ · Post by **SilverFJ** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 8:20 pm

You gotta cut them some slack, though, when's the last time we've actually had to evacuate a major city? I don't know, but imagine how much of our national guard is off in Bush's oil fest?

Dedman · Post by **Dedman** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:23 pm

woodchip wrote:Seeing the traffic jambs, I'm not understanding why the south bound lanes were not opened to north bound traffic. Ten hours to go 50 miles is ludicrous.

Because then less gas would have been used and W wouldn't have gotten as big a cut.

Silly

Flabby Chick · Post by **Flabby Chick** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:26 pm

Iceman wrote: As an Alabamian I was unaware of the danger

As an Israeli/Brit' watching from gazillions of miles away, myself and all my peers were well aware of what would happen if a cat4/5 hit New Orleans. Your argument is pretty silly Ice.

Couver_ · Post by **Couver_** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:32 pm

Flabby Chick wrote:
Iceman wrote: As an Alabamian I was unaware of the danger
As an Israeli/Brit' watching from gazillions of miles away, myself and all my peers were well aware of what would happen if a cat4/5 hit New Orleans. Your argument is pretty silly Ice.

Pssst turn up your sarcasm meter. Living there he is well aware of what comes ashore

Flabby Chick · Post by **Flabby Chick** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:49 pm

I don't think there was any sarcasm there....did you read Ice's post?

Not that it's so terribly important anyway. One just likes to get in touch with ones anal side every now and again.

MD-2389 · Post by **MD-2389** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:29 am

woodchip wrote:Sure we knew. We just didn't want to believe.

Oh, they were well aware of the consequences. They were just so arrogant that they thought it would be just like every other storm that came through. When I was down there for that one hurricane that came back four times (forgot the name), we were warned about what could happen if it hit from the west side....only the predictions were alot worse. (It would've been Lake New Orleans for atleast SIX MONTHS....)

Vertigo 99 · Post by **Vertigo 99** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:17 am

what the fÃ¼Ã§k is going on in this thread

Iceman · Post by **Iceman** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:43 am

What's going on? I made a sarcastic remark targeted at those people that are 'all knowing' and 'all seeing'. You know, those that know what the world's problems are and how to solve them but are mysteriously silent until after the fact ... when they have ammunition to proove their point.

So now I am getting some return fire ... all is cool, just sit back and enjoy the friendly banter.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:24 pm

Iceman wrote:Because I thought I was responding to goofy logic.

Fair enough.

Palzon · Post by **Palzon** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:15 pm

Just because I'm bored let's have fun with this a bit.

Iceman wrote:Well, seeing as you are the all knowing ... you got me.

It's easy to feel all-knowing when responding to what you've so far posted.

Iceman wrote:As an Alabamian I was unaware of the danger and as a result never made any squeaks about it. I am sure that there are many, many more Americans that were unaware of the problem too.

[sarchasm]Clearly, nothing more could have been done since YOU were not aware of the dangers that have been recognized by the government, the media, and emergency management experts for roughly 30 years.[/sarchasm]

Your thinking is so disorganized it's remarkable really. Don't blame me for pointing it out. Blame yourself for jumbled thinking. Whether or not YOU were aware of the threat has ZERO bearing on how the government woulda, coulda, or shoulda responded.

Your original assertion that an event of Katrina's magnitude was never considered is comical in it's wrongness. You might just admit that, fella.

Iceman wrote:I am equally sure that you knew all about it and were actively campaigning to avoid the disaster ... seeing as you are always right and 'in the know'.

totally and utterly irrelevant. there are people responsible for knowing what the challenges are, and coming up with solutions. just because i don't work for the feds, NO, or LA does not mean that i can't have a relevant, critical opinion about their operations.

Iceman wrote:If I lived in NO that would probably not be the case. That case would be unexcusable (as in Mayor Nagin's, Governor Blanco's).

If ANYONE knows what he's talking about here I'm all ears.

Iceman wrote:Maybe think before you jump and post?

...wtf? demand this of yourself.

Iceman wrote:Oh yeah, it has been predicted that the California west of the San Andreas fault will split off and roll into the Pacific ocean.

Even though this is a total red herring fallacy - that's not what is predicted in the first place!!

L.A. is moving towards San Francisco at about a few cm a year. There is no risk of any part of California "rolling" into the ocean.

I am extremely concerned about the government's response to Katrina at all levels. I am highly concerned with the current response to Rita (which I am seeing to some extent firsthand). I'm concerned solely because there will be future disasters and response should be improved.

It would not surprise me if there are more casualties in the evacuation than the hurricane itself.

Why would ANYONE bend over backwards to not be critical about these things? party loyalty? don't wanna be un-American? dumb as a bag of hammers?

One of the main purposes of government should be the relief of unneccessary suffering. Clearly, disaster response is important and could be better. The only way to make progress is to analyze what could have been done better in previous cases.

SilverFJ · Post by **SilverFJ** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:17 pm

[sarcasm]ooo! ooo! yoo spelt "sarcasm" rong!!! ooo![/sarcasm]